Curse

Orbberius · Jan 31, 2006, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Well, time = money. Aside from the fact that it's against the EULA, I don't really see anything wrong with ebaying for something that would otherwise take you a long time, if you really want it that badly.

Of course, the best solution is to look at where your life is heading and ask yourself: "Do I really want to spend all this time/money just to get some stupid useless armor for this virtual online game?"

actionjack · Jan 31, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

It not the problem of someone having more money than you....

Its more or less the possible complains of "uneven start on the starting line" and difficulties of adding new content to suit everyone's need and position.

EternalTempest · Jan 31, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Anet has done a great job of of providing you all you need to be able to afford max stat armor, great collector's items in chapter 1 and I see the same set up with Chapter 2 as you progress throught the game. Once you beaten the game you can then do farming to fund new characters if you short cut them through the game. Anet is not against farming but when it's farming method that cause inflation in the game that can't be controlled.

I don't think there going to be able to avoid the "compalints" when you allow existing level 20 character in to a new chapter (compared to someone who just bought Chapter 2 but not played Chapter 1).

I recall when the green weapons were introduced how much back lash there was from the "rich" about dropping there value.

The biggest issue is the lack of knowledge about the collectors items / there are alts to max gold perfect mod stuff. Hopefully they will make placement of npc or quests that link to the items to make people more aware. How many people realize if you keep 5 of each monster drop from Crystal /Southern Shiver peaks and get the best collector item(s) in the game.

I also think that a tradehouse / auctionhouse is most likely in the work which will have a nice effect of having standard prices based on supply and demand in stead of the huge flux of value among items. PC Traders know the vaule of the items but players not in the "scene" or new ones don't know any better can easily get ripped off.

Alicia of IGE · Jan 31, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Honestly, if you judge people by their equipment, you really are superficial and deserve all that you get in game and in real life.

Everybody should appreciate fine equipment. But a good player can judge another good player by how they play, not by what they use. Do you know who I impress with my Razorstone and Malinon's shield? Well, it's only good until you find out I'm not bringing any enchantment skills and axe mastery skills. It would be next to useless. Whether someone is a good player or not is easily evaluated by how they behave in game. I chuckle still when people ask me what I'm using as if that defines my skills. No, my skills defines my skills, my equipment only enhance them when used appropriately.

My latest hobby? Run around low level content and find low, or even better, no req items and modding them to taste. It's been quite fun, actually, to see that some of these items are nearly as good as the "max/godly/uber" items that people give their first born for with the right skill mix. And some of the low level collector items are simply amusing. Shocking Plasma Blade of Defense/Enchanting anyone?

It's too bad that they nerfed my "crystaline" req.4 long sword that does just as much damage as a max sword when I'm hexed/enchanted/customized all at the same time. And none of these items cost any gold! And it's fun to obtain them if you missed them the few times you did go through the game in the beginning.

Yes yes, I know, Anet gave us candy cane weapons... A nice wintersday gift, no doubt, for the price. If only they were upgradeable. Oh how I would love a furious candy cane axe of enchanting!

Alicia of IGE · Jan 31, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by actionjack

It not the problem of someone having more money than you....

Its more or less the possible complains of "uneven start on the starting line" and difficulties of adding new content to suit everyone's need and position.

Acctually, according to Anet, in the audio interview with Jeff (lastname?), they want you to play high level content with your ch.1 high level character if that is what you chose to do. And they want you to have the option of playing the low level content to bring you to the high level content if you don't have a high level character. So in fact, it's opposite of what most people think it is. They made it standalone. They did not make it to "level the playing field" so that everybody can start the same again. If anything, the interview implies that the low level content is once again, a tutorial for new comers very much the way it was (pre ascension) in chapter 1.

Kook~NBK~ · Feb 01, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

I guess I'm about the middle of the pack, wealth wise - maybe upper middle class, LOL. Most of my wealth came from farming the lower levels for crafting materials & getting the rare crafting materials made to sell off. I also salvaged my own materials for all my armor - so all I had to come up with was the gold - saved a bunch of money that way.

But it does take time and effort. It's only natural that someone who plays 3 hours a day ends up with more gold than the same type of player who only plays 5 - 6 hours a week.

Kook~NBK~ · Feb 01, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Forgot something. As for Chapter 2, they may come up with different (new) material requirements for the new armors. you may find that you need a material that doesn't exist now for that assassin armor.

I don't think the currency will change, since you will be allowed to carry your current character over to the next chapter. (It didn't change from Ascalon to Shiverpeaks to Kryta, after all)

Nevin · Feb 01, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Theres a fairly simple way to neglect this issue.
1. Players with over 250k are a minority in GW. (Why 250k? That for me marks having enough cash to buy just about anything and still have enough left over to live off of)
2. If Guild Wars Factions (On a stand alone basis) gets more copies sold then the original Guild Wars, that'll even further provoke the minority of rich players with a beneficial start.
3. We don't even know if currency is transferable, And what to SPEND the money on.

Deathqueen · Feb 01, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

If you had read Gailes post awhile back she even stated that 90% of the players that are playing GW's don't even have 20 plat max. It's an illusion that there's LOTS of rich players out there. There's not really. The majority of players have a life just like you and will have basically the same gear and equipment as you thru time. I played the entire first chapter without worrying about what the other guys got the whole time and completed it just like everyone else eventually does. Main thing there shouldn't be a "rush" to complete it, because once you've done it once, it's pretty boring and nothing left but to replay up another character or farm. I chose to play one character and unlock all the skills and elites for that one character, I don't like pure casters and rangers suk, so my warrior/whatever is the most fun to play for me and having most of the skills for each class gives me choices to make now each time I play.

So, don't worry about someone being ahead of you if you are a casual player, it doesn't make any difference because they don't affect your game if you play YOUR game and not theirs. (smile)

Cjlr · Feb 01, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

[whine]Why is it that almost every third thread on this forum is some poor guy complaining?[/whine]

Now, seriously - it's not an issue. Not even a little bit. If you want armour that's a little shinier, go for it. Farm your ass off. Do whatever. Ebay it. It will not make you any more skilled than anyone else.

The things you need - actually need - in the game are few and far between. A set of Drok's armour, for sure. Maybe a weapon or two, if you can't be bothered to find one yourself (collectors, or even drops). A couple runes, and that's about it. Equal playing field, for a total of maybe 25k. I've played through the game on a single character, without any sort of farming whatsoever and I've saved up around 100k all told. You don't need to work for money, if you only buy what you need. Skill quests and collectors are your friends!

Most of you have probably heard the saying, "he who dies with the most toys, is" blah blah blah whatever. It has been my experience, that he who dies with FoW armour against a lowly pair of imps is nonetheless dead, not to mention to rich for his own good.

Deathqueen · Feb 01, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Haha Cjlr that's how I look at the game also. No armor or some skin on a weapon has ever impressed me. It may be impressive to the person who spent a million plat on it, but, it all looks like cartoons to me. I can only feel these types of players that have this NEED for the high end armor/gear (looks only) have some inferior complex in real life and need some sort of ego boost from a game to I guess make them feel important, but, to WHO? It's like WHO cares if someone else has FoW armor really? I know I don't. And it's not because I can't afford it I just don't see a NEED for it. Now, I NEED a good WEAPON with great stats, but, it doesn't have to be a chaos axe of some flaming or icey sword. You are correct many good weapons/items even some armor are out there on collectors and until recently that's what I used. I got lucky with the new UW and got the Green Axe and Shield and Maul and Sword on my only 4 trips through it. So, I use those, but, I still use my collectors weapons as well as the situations arise where they are more advantageous. Like my Ebon Axe & Sword when farming Wurms. Doubt anyone would use these in PVP and I think too much emphasis is put and based on PVP and PVP whinning about PVE players having this and that....it gets crazy sometimes, but, I do find it funny reading the whines and complaints as they roll in day after day here and on the other GW's websites as well.

I put most of my money/time into aquiring all the skills and elites, now those are more important to me than any armor upgrade after Droks. No matter what you look like or what weapons you are wielding, the final results always comes down to skill when everything else is equal as in Droks vs FoW armor, equal stats only a different skin. That's just silly to waste that kind of money on a look, UNLESS you have the best of weapons, shields, focus items and ALL your skills unlocked/bought/capped, then if you want to throw money into the wind like that it seems reasonable.

I would think we have to take into account most of the whines are from pre-teens to young teens. I'd really find it hard to believe a mature adult (yes I know there are some immature ones) would get so overzealous over such silliness as being poor or being rich in a GAME?

actionjack · Feb 01, 2006, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by Deathqueen

I would think we have to take into account most of the whines are from pre-teens to young teens. I'd really find it hard to believe a mature adult (yes I know there are some immature ones) would get so overzealous over such silliness as being poor or being rich in a GAME?

I question that. Sure, a mature adult probably won't be overzealous over such thing, but they still would want them, else they won't be playing such game. It is one of the attraction of MMO, to get the uber loot and show them off (else single player rpg would dominate over the mindless grind of MMO)

I won't say this post is a whining. I am more concern in making GW a better game.

Now, I would imagin (speculation of couse) that the formate of Faction will be such that 40 to 60% of the content be for the newly created Canthra character (almost like the presearing zone...), where it will get them to be about lv 20, before reaching the "share" contents that the old ascalon character can join. (of couse, that is only the main story wise, unsure of how much of "sandbox" play is out there). That is all good and all, but what if you have the ablity to import your money in there?

It would be like A.net suddendly change where you have a share storage in presearing too, back when the game first come out, and the beta player are not whipe and still keeping their stuff.

Of couse, I am sure A.net would have someway to avoid that... but than, there are nothing wrong in voicing my conern.

Bhaaltazar · Feb 01, 2006, 09:38 AM // 09:38

How about this:

Best elite items u could use lets say only after u were ascended or after u achive some lvl? Like that runners to Droks wouldnt be needed since u couldnt use droks ( or yaks, lions... ) armour until u reach certain lvl? In my opinion this would prevent "abuse" of gold u earned with previous characters( chapter )...

Like this u would be forced to buy armor sets from the start ( in ascalon, yaks.... ) and collectors would become far more interesting and important this way since u would upgrade your gear threw exploring the land and not only in major cityes?

Takeko Nakano · Feb 01, 2006, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

Forgot something. As for Chapter 2, they may come up with different (new) material requirements for the new armors. you may find that you need a material that doesn't exist now for that assassin armor.

Quite true. However, I'm sure that many will cross over from Chapter 1. Perhaps that will be the case for the "15k" types.

Takeko Nakano · Feb 01, 2006, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by Bhaaltazar

How about this:

Best elite items u could use lets say only after u were ascended or after u achive some lvl? Like that runners to Droks wouldnt be needed since u couldnt use droks ( or yaks, lions... ) armour until u reach certain lvl? In my opinion this would prevent "abuse" of gold u earned with previous characters( chapter )...

No, because then they could just pay people to power-level them. It wouldn't change much.

Bhaaltazar · Feb 01, 2006, 10:05 AM // 10:05

well yes but i still think less people would be willing to pover lvl someone ( after all it would take much more time than simle running ) if droks armors would be usable at lets say lvl 17-18 it would take long time to power lvl there...

MoNo · Feb 01, 2006, 10:56 AM // 10:56

well well, I'm mid range also maybe not i have 2 acount.
I beat the game and love to farm , i have goals 500 plat done that been their 500 hyda claws done that 250 shards still need 150 250 ecto still need 125 Come home from work and just like to do some grinding. I've done so much grinding i have 50 of every dye not blk i have 11 blk dye so that should tell you how much i play. As for ebayers do what you want , i have some of the best weapons and about 1.8 mill in just gold and i run around in my drok's armor (all my toons)
so if you want to be rich you will need to play more that 2 hours here and their. Maybe if your personal live was good you wouldn't complain about an online game. Use your energy in game and will be rewarded.

=HT=Ingram · Feb 01, 2006, 11:26 AM // 11:26

the point is right way not too many will be in chapter 2 final areas. especially the areas that it REQUIRES Co-op to finish. and controlling areas of Cantha will be crutial to being able to get certain items / armors... As well as Being able to get discounts from NPC vendors... So at least at the begining we will all be pretty equally footed... all I can say is buy early and play often... It will pay off for you.

Little Ryoko · Feb 01, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28

this topic is sumthing i can relate too. im a new player for past 3 weeks and having trouble being able to affor the runs and armor. but it may discourage me sometimes i try not to let it bother me from playing and having fun with friends and new people.

only thing i dislike is the way of experience..the rich can take advantage of new players thru selling items. they know they worth of an item but will still try to make more profit from someone new than an experienced player.

Also power lvling. those who can afford it have a better chance going to farm quicker than the new guys such as myself. I have triedto find a kind person or guild to join who would do that but unfortunatly that seems to be in decline. id ask fro someone to help me power lvl i can pay 500 per lvl but that may fit some then they ask if i will supply the scrolls. if i did that then i couldt pay for the lvls i would recive and none will levle u without you providing them. u dont find any tahat will supply thier own scrolls in exchange of getting items here and there that drop.

All in all its a problem that will be there no matter how much someone trys to even it out. just that it will prove how much your willing to do to become a "pro" of the game.

Pyrrhus · Feb 01, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

It's not a huge problem but it is still quite problematic (if that makes sense). Money does cause problems when it comes to people being run and getting better armour only to later go back and do the earlier missions. There are, in my opinion, three options Anet has: to keep everything the same and not bother about the economy, secondly more goldsinks and finally have Cantha using a different currency. The different currency would actually be quite good because it adds realism because different countries do have different currencies. I am against the inability to exchange previous gold to Canthan so there should also be a money exchange with inflation exchange rates. Although it could get for more complicated.